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Elissalf's avatar

You're not Catholic. Catholic Jesus loves everyone.

You DETEST everyone who isn't a rightwing bigot and nazi.

Go to hell, JD. And Jesus agrees with me.

Lisa's avatar

🀣 You lefties are the biggest hypocrites I've ever met. You just told JD Vance to go to hell and that Jesus agreed with you...so obviously you hate him. But you hate JD because you're accusing him of hating everyone that isn't conservative!? πŸ€” I swear you can't make this crap up. πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ

Elissalf's avatar

I'm not VP of 340 million people. Vance is, and he hates half of us.

So go f*ck yourself, CULTIST.

YOU voted for a rapist felon fascist. You're the piece of excrement in this conversation.

Steve's avatar

You've dehumanized someone. Your hate does not make you stronger, and those who hate you do not make you weaker. JD Vance may be the antichrist or he may be an opportunistic sycophant who doesn't even understand his own motivations, but who are YOU? Surely you are greater than the sum of your preferences.

Louise's avatar

I wouldn't have put it as harshly as that. However I would describe all those in the current administration as thoroughly evil and unChristian. I'm also wondering if he attended OCIA for a year like every other convert? Is that mentioned or did I miss it? Did he somehow sneak in the easy way by a back door? I'm Australian by the way. I've never before felt angry with an American president and government. I don't care if he's Republican or Democrat, as long as he's a decent, intelligent, educated and kind person. Trump is none of those things. Vance is a disgrace.

PennyMac's avatar

I believe JD Vance became Catholic because it was politically expedient for him to do so. Why didn’t he become a Jerry Falwell evangelical? Because they already have the Evangelicals in their back pocket for the next election campaign. He has to dissuade the Catholics who put their bodies on the front lines against ICE. Stay alert. He will be engaging in some serious manipulations of the religious right and culture war issues. Anyone with a functioning brain cell should know better than to allow MAGA to continue its murderous expeditions on the American people. The Midterms are coming. Vote them out. Do not forget that a vote for MAGA is a vote for pedo protectors. They're all trying to hide behind piety and the church right now.

Diana's avatar

Since when do people "join" the Catholic Church, receive their first Holy Communion, and get baptized in a "private" ceremony? Christianity is a communal experience. This is so JD. Entitled, elitist (though he has no room to be), and so very self-important. JD is not a Catholic or a Christian, in any sense of the word. Jesus is crying. Also, JD had a ghost writer for his latest book. He's simply not that articulate.

Renia E Saddler's avatar

Wonderful. Inspired and inspiring. I see our Catholic faith a bit differently, with a greater emphasis on the humanity and mercy of Christ as a reflection of God’s power. Christ’s love for us is best seen in the sincere care and compassion he showed us. He didn’t question our habits of consumption or refer to the weakness of our will as moral failing but rather as understandable, more due to the failures of leadership, and evidence of our need for the healing that comes from Christ, by the grace of God. Examples of leadership failures Jesus pointed out and which were also noted by the prophets were not that they were too lenient toward the flock, not that they demanded too little, nor that they were frugality enough so as to force people to seek virtue by putting economic and social pressure on them. Instead, it was leadership’s lack of mercy, their condemnation of people for being β€œirresponsible” with their money, for condemning and denigrating socializing and drinking wine, for turning their noses up to those they saw as failing to be productive enough and in the right way. They had contempt for those they and the nations had failed but rather than meeting them where they were at, the kept them at a social and economic distance, ostracizing people as β€œsinners,” blaming them for their failings and defining them by those failings, and seeing any offer of generosity not as trusting in God and the goodness of his creation, but rather as behavior that can only work to enable sin.

This is a common mindset among spiritual and intellectual elites alike, and always has been, more so as being so becomes more convenient. The harder it is to be generous, the easier it is to justify miserliness. Yes, God seems to demand from us what’s counterintuitive. It’s precisely when something is hardest that God is likely calling us to do it. This is because in such times, the worldly way appears as the holy way so easily, it has all the superficial elements of holiness, like practical virtue and plentiful historical examples, but lacking a key aspectβ€”the love and mercy of Godβ€”we risk trusting the manmade over trusting in God’s goodness goodness and power.

Being a complete failure in piety myself, it’s hard to say another person’s perspective might be in error or suggest I might have a more true view. How could I better interpret Christ’s message and Church teaching better than someone so educated and virtuous, who serve the public through hard work and self-sacrifice? Yet, we know by scripture that this is not impossible.

We will see how Mr. Vance’s interpretation of Catholic teaching does as its gradually implemented in society via the project 2025 inspired Big Beautiful Bill, which Mr. Vance must see as being in agreement with his understanding of what Christian leadership looks like in action. The true nature of this plan he’s promoting and enthusiastically helping to carry out will be revealed by its fruit, and perhaps be vindicated, and perhaps not. One thing seems certain, change is needed, on that no one will disagree, but as no one knows what kind of change, this is a time for social experimentation on a grand scale, and the only reasonable response to have hope and patience.

Steven Hines's avatar

Ayn Rand was not a libertarian. She founded the objectivist philosophy. She and most objectivists detest libertarians. Which is a shame, because libertarianism and objectivism have many beliefs in common.